Religious experiences, Caste system, Racism This is an interview for the British Hindu Oral History Project. My name is Surya Bansal and today's date is the 25th of April. 25th of April sound Sound Cassette English Oral Interview Interview Surya Bansal 084 Baldev Krishnan Male 58 60 Hera, Punjab

Bradford U.K. Bus driver EN Punjabi, Hindi, English First of all let I always go to the background. Where are your parents from? From India. Do you know whereabouts? Punjab State. Do you know what village or? A village. Village Hera. Okay. Were you born there? Yeah. Okay. Do you still have relatives there? Yeah. Do you ever go back and see your relatives at all? Yeah. When was the last time you've been? Last year. Last year. So what family members have you got left there? My uncle, aunty, my cousins, cousin wife and his sons and all family. Okay. Did you go to school there? Yeah. To what age? Up to sixteen. Sixteen and what happened after sixteen, did you? After sixteen I have been to here in Bradford with my Dad. And I found a job according to situation that time and at that time was 42 and half hour in a week and every man, woman and children was very hard working and, for forty-two and half I got 4 Pounds for a week wage and these days unbelievable things are like that. It's matter of 1963, that's the rate was you know. When the hard worker were getting 7 - 8 Pounds the weekly rate you know, I was glad I got 4 Pounds; gross. Not in my pocket. So you said you came with your father. Did just you and your father came over? Yeah. Okay. And what was the reason for that? The reason was, actually we were farmer there. Farm is a, in England as you know, no dividing. One son, eldest son is keeping in England farm. But in India, if one farmer have the five sons and three daughters suppose, so eight family member is it you know. Then it will divide into eight parts, you know. When a farm will divide in to eight parts what left for each person? After one or two generation nothing left there. It will be only for a few yards, each have the share. That's where then, I can say that, in India Government should be, make it like that you know, limited farm you know, up to that one can't cut it more than that, you know. Oh, I see, so it gets broken up in to lots. Yeah. So instead of cutting, cutting, cutting and dividing into yards few of equal shares of brothers and sisters, that was the big problem there. If we lived there, it were not enough farm for us to add, we have the fifteen members there. So we had to go to somewhere else to get the job and get the money and settle our life. That was the main reason. Okay makes sense. So how many, do you have any brothers or sisters? I have two brothers and three sisters. And did they not come either then? One sister in India and other sister and my other two brothers and two sister are here. And, so what was your father's name? My father's name is Tirthram. So you came over to look for a job and you came straight from India. Yeah. So did your father get his, what they call it sort of, his passports? He had the British passport, 1962 when he been to India and 1973, I got the permission from the High Commissioner in New Delhi to, I can go with my father to Britain and join with my father. So I had been to my father in 1963 so. So you were only sixteen, but can you remember the journey over and what time of the year was it when you came here? It was a 10th of June, 1963. So it wasn't too cold then? It was very cold, Bradford. Was it? And the smoke was too much going through the chimney. Oh yeah too much, yeah. And lights were very small on the backside of the city, besides the stone was in the street backsides you know. And the toilets was outside, I have to go four, five step down after ten yard to go to toilet. And there were no water hot system. Just put the Kitli on the cooker and make our hot water. And we have no bathroom and that time people have no bathroom inside the house you see. That changed in 1970, '69-'70. Yeah. We got the grants and we got the partitions in the room and make the bathrooms, toilets, sink, all setting them. Okay and what area did you stay in Bradford? Mostly, I stayed in Bradford 3. What about when you first came over, because there couldn't be much of the Hindu community here at that time, so what was that like, you know? Yeah, at that time, not matter of Hindu or Sikh or whoever we was, you know it was one thing in our mind, you know, I have the ability to work hard. My father, my parents told me you know, if you want to achieve something in the life, you will hard worker. Either mail factory or anywhere, you must be honest or must be punctual, must be hard worker and must be loyal. These loyalty bring me up. My way of life is not shivering or like that, you know. My way of life like a Military man. What his duty, understand it and right time - right action. Yeah. Sleeping time - sleep, wake time - waken up, going home, work time must go to work. If I will tell you I am working in my job, thirty years on the job as a bus driver. If you come to my house you won't get, in my house clock with alarm. What time I am going to, separate times I am going to work, four o'clock - five o'clock, no need now to me somebody wake me up, my wife or alarm. Is wife there? My wife, my life punctual, make me like that, I always wake up three thirty - quarter to four, brush, toilet and one after other thing, bath taking then pray, then listen the television with those who are, picture hour and religious programs, who is head of our Hinduism, I will listen that. And you said you kind of got that from your father, I mean, your father was like that too, was he very hard working? My father was a really hard worker. He was working in a foundry, Birmingham. And he was working in a Cross Flat, there was a mouldry job, you know. Oh, yeah. There they melt the iron and make the parts of the all, everything's you know. It was not easy job and the job was too heavy really, really good muscles. So he was doing that job and he told me, "whatever you get the money, if you eat it I don't mind". You will come back without, make that excuse "I got headache, I can't do the job, you won't win my son". So I got that idea from my father and that idea's make me loyalty, respectful person in the community after the long time. I am working on, thirty years on the buses, '60 working year. And just day-before-yesterday, I talked to, I had an interview with my Managing Director on some matters for next course, you know. And he was asking me few questions, you know and same like that. I asked them, you know can you find, give me, in my record, ever sent, five minute late for my job and not loyalty and I am doing public behave, if I am not in my brain anything catching right thing, what time, what to say, what not to say to the right person, right time and how I can solve the problem then, then I will go get in argument with, with many passengers you know. I am dealing with four - five hundred passengers every day. So must we know the, how I should behave others and what kind I am meeting the peoples. As you know on the buses, there is no top peoples coming on the buses, they have the cars and they have many other facility, only middle class peoples and little bit low class people are coming on the buses, getting on the buses, you know through there income. So we have to accept that they, you know we can't accept that they will speak us as a high level very loyal person, you know. So I am not expecting it. No. And people are someone was asking me you are a mind reader. I am not mind reader, through my thirty year experience; I know what they are expecting from me and what I can do, what I can give them or what I cannot give, honestly. If some would tell me really, I have this problem this one, little money, short of money or whatever, then no problem we can sort the problem, no problem. If somebody dishonest, doing the wrong things, attitude wrong, everything wrong, you know and looks his way of speaking wrong and everything wrong then with a sensible way what can we do? So do you think that, I mean specially in the early days, you have that sort of attitude when you first came here. Do you think people were a lot more they'd want you be more respectful to you because you were hard working or like that. You think that was just? That time after World War II up to 1980 - '85, '45 to'85, 40 years every man, every woman, every child who ever worked 40 years, 1945 to 1985 in England, they have too much here in England, because they did the hard jobs, they developed the country too much, they have, I can too much share to develop this country. Once develop of country, then easy to take it then further, then get the benefit of it. Now we are getting the benefits of it, you know. If I explained you one thing, you know when I have a child, you know in 1966 December, my first child you know and that time first child not getting any allowance, now my grandson is getting 5 Pounds, first child. So it's big different at that time and now, you know. And that time there were, no any as we are getting five day working and we have little income that we can have the compensation from the other side you know. Too many loss in the favor of us, you know worker. That time no any extra money. You do work, hard work and go to, after 5-6 days for the bathroom pay them five pence and he will fill the hot water in the bath for you and you relax in them and come back home you know. This was our life, you know. And some people were working 18 hour continuous you know night shift more than, Friday starting 6 o'clock and Saturday finishing 12 o'clock. My many friends, one of them my father was also. It's hard work. Very very hard work and not little hard worker. I am still a hard worker. And so you know, you working these hours and staying, who you were staying with at that time? I am staying with my son, my daughter-in-law, my wife, my one grandson and one granddaughter. I have two house together with extension now and nice garden and front and back side. I am living there really, I have some hobbies gardening and put the right tree and keep looking the people's garden where they have the nice plant, tree or how I can put that tree or plant there in my garden. I got the idea from other gardens. So I have hobbies some good one. Yes. Just to go back a little bit was your dad, was your mother, or still in India at that time? In 1963 my mother was still in India. And was your dad just paying for her. Yeah. My dad was paying them and my brothers and sisters were there and he had to look after them and whatever we saved then we were sending them back. After few years they have been to here and then they joined with us. Just a little bit on socializing, when you came here, because the community was so small, how did you find that, I mean what temple did you have at that time? We have no temple that time, first we start the Sankirtana, do you know Sankirtan? Sankirtan means there we sit together and chant God names and sing our, to know the commandment of the God. But it could be in people's houses and things like that? Yeah. In the house, you know. Somebody have the back to back house in 1967. Old back to back house and we put some picture there and, one of our teacher was, you know he was explaining on Bhagwat Gita, what is Lord Krishna saying and I was also little interested and then one day he was explaining to us from Gita about our caste, you know and his meaning was, "God in every person and God make this earth and nobody up and down" you know. If I am doing work as a bus driver, if I am a good driver no problem, I can't be Ph. D, everybody won't, cant, not have abilities to Ph. D or high qualifications you know. Wherever I am, I must be honest there I should know how to do the job and everything. If I am even cleaning the footpath or road, anything and wherever I am doing the job, I should be perfect in them, so there is no problem. So, would you say that your father, because there is this sort of things that our father kind of upheld those old beliefs of working hard and stuff, would you say he was a religious man, your father? No, he was a responsible person in the family. Responsibility is the main thing, you know. How responsible you are, and the how idea you have in your mind, you know. Are you responsible for you wife, are you responsible for your parents, are you responsible for your nearest and dearest one! That's individually every person. If you are responsible, you will be punctual, you will be good; I am not a responsible anything, nobody can make me responsible. My ideas through my parents, through my holy books, through the respectable person in the community, through our reading books, saints, good ideas, philosophy of God that can bring me high level of knowledge person. And whatever I had in my mind is knowledge I've got it; so that will work in my life. I will just, I didn't touch that before but do you find it difficult at that time to get more exotic food and also spices and also clothes and stuff like that like--? Yeah, we have the problem in the starting, you know when I been to here, I face some problem. So I start taking eggs and other things, you know and as my father information, "Son, be strong man, if you won't be strong enough you can't work". You wont be good and the respectful person in the community. Our family will live in a poor, very poor stage and you can't be rich then. If you want to be rich, you must be hard worker and be honest and time will come after a few years, if your way of work is right and you know how to spend money, and where to spend money, where not to spend, where not to go, where to go, when to go, right time, right attitude, right action, if you have the knowledge nobody can stop you be rich by your idea, by your financial rich, nobody can stop it. When the sun will come on the sky dark will go away, nobody can stop it. Same thing is about honesty, loyalty and you. If you are in your life any person doesn't matter in this world any person in this world, honest, hard worker, loyalty in them you are a pure, you will never be poor. You will be rich. By financial, by his ideas he will get the respect from other people, from those who are really good people, from them. I am not talking about the evils people. Evil people have no idea, they will respect the evil people, bad peoples. Talking about evil people, did you ever experience any racism? I have. Where? I am living in a Bradford, 1963 forty-one years, racism Bradford vandalism, I have seen two-three vandalism, they throw the petrol bomb to our temple. I got the telephone from someone warning to our temple and they say, "save your temple". I explain to my society, my society say do not, they say it's only joke and somebody are lying, so they throw the bomb just we left the temple, petrol bomb and that were the only one community in the world those who are doing many just you know, wherever they are. I am not against any individual person, I am individually the bad thing you know which are bad action law you know, throwing the petrol bomb to the normal people's those who are peacefully living here and nicely to live. And one thing in my life, no one, English people hate with me or I'll find the racist, I found only that time when riots start here before, that time I feel because so many people burn shops and too much damage and millions pounds peoples they ready to one community everybody know in this Bradford. They done two-three time damage, million pounds damage and shops and only they slept the only one community that were the English people property and Hindu's property, they damage them, they did not damage any their own community, a single shop. Then the other side of National Front have the ideas you know, for them to stop it, then the going and then they coming on the bus, then they feel I am one of them, but I am not one of them. I will be pure, I will be honest, I will feel it, they are all my brothers and sisters. I am more honest, more pure, I love the honest person, I not color war, no anything in my mind who he, I like every person in this world, God make every person, each and every person, God make this world and his Sun is giving light to every one, why I can, not listening to the God commandment you know, why I will follow to the evil's idea as you know, what they are doing I, it should not affect on my life actually. I am so strongly opinious. Okay. I am just kind of move on now to just your religious practices over the time. Basically your religious practices today basically now you, in the temple also at home, so what's, do you do Puja in the morning, what's your normal sort of routine? My Puja is a first start you know, when I leaving bed, I to pray to Earth, without that Earth I can live you know. This one, give me shelter this Earth. Yeah. Then Air, even God make this Earth, God make this Air for me, to run the function for my life everybody know. If Air won't be pure oxygen in them, somebody put that too much petrol or anything, too much smoke or anything you know or any atom bomb or like that so we can't survive you know. So we need to thank to God who make these things an thank to Air, pure we are getting and thank to our mother who give me, bring me on this Earth. I thank to my father, I thank to my teacher who give me ideas, this one and thank to God and thank to whoever honest person in this world who believe in God to keep the commandment, any testament they keep it, any religious, I pray them, be honest, I am with them. Okay. They are my nearest and dearest. They are too close in my mind. Dishonest my any nearest or nearest or he can't be come in my mind. So do you find this stuff this associating with people in the temple and because they are all in the same sort of? Yeah And also I just want to ask you, do you have a family Guru at all? Yeah. What is his name? His name is Mridul Vyas. And how did you find out about him? Actually 1967 he was in Bradford. We was in temple you know, chanting God names and read the holy books you know. Then he been to Bradford. He was so good in explanation Ramayana, singing in Harmonium. Yeah. So good his tunes and chant you know, poets you know, men are singing to us you know and explanation has too good you know, he had know the commandment of God. Yeah. So I got idea from them and I thank you know and this is the right person who can Guru, guide in my life you know. So I respect them and he given me Mantra for God you know. God is in every person. If you want to serve the God, must be honest with them, must serve them nicely, politely and honesty and loyalty. Did you have any, ever have any Guru's visit your home at all? Did I have the? Any other Guru's or Swami's ever visit your home at all? Yeah they are many keep coming my house. Okay. Any in particular or just? So many-many. So many-many. Many. All are famous for me. All equal famous. They are teaching everything same. Okay we, some of these questions now there are a little bit broad but I am going to go with them. Yeah. Kind of what would you say that makes you Hindu? Hindu means you know be vegetarian. Yeah. Be honest, be loyalty, be punctual all the good things in you and be helpful for others those who need it. Even blind person, even disabled person even any person in that world you know. All over the world I keep knowledge in my mind you know, what, who our saint, where every religion in the world is doing the good thing. Yeah. It say, every thing in my brain here. If I see in the any part of the world anybody good thing they doing you know it is coming too near of me. Doesn't matter who Hindu or any one religion, any good person. I believe it's you know. Yeah. Okay just do you believe in Karma? Karma? Yeah and also Reincarnation. Yeah, I believe it Karma. Without Karma how we can improve our idea then we are animals you know, worst than animal. Animal can do the damage to little one, we are we can, men can do too much damage you know. If he start on the wrong way wrong path, evils idea you know. They are doing it, too much harm to the they are taking the people's life and still they fill you know they are not taking the life of other people. Yeah. Drugs and other things, you know and only they got a bad idea that's all, illegal things. Okay. What happens to you when you die? That if you had a pious life and you have practiced your religious principles, what happens to you or what would you like to say happen to you in your next? There are two situation you know. Yeah. If I really good by my mind and God given the marks to me, suppose I am going to school teacher know after the exams how many, how you did the paper and how many marks you got it. Same thing God is. Whatever I did the action in my life with that action always helping me in the life also when it's going and after the life also, I will go in Paradise. There are seven paradise one after other one better, better, better, better and better than, one and second better, third better, best one. It's like that. And one is Moksha and Moksha is called 'Mukti' and Moksha is called the 'Nirvan Pada'. Yeah. That's a little one hard, hard is that one you have to be know God philosophy and the God commandment and be with them honesty not with the other people. Doesn't matter whatever who your nearest or dearest doing you truly fear this world is like a dream as when dream is coming and our during night time and we feel somebody meeting me going separate and I am running, talking and same Bay house and all creation going like that you know and when I wake up through it I feel, oh that's not true. I did not carry that person why the police catching me, after I wake up you know out from the dream Yeah. So same thing this world as you know the philosophy of God you will feel the same thing. This world is a dream and one side God said you have to keep the commandment other side God say must, must, know me. Without knowing me what is my Swarupa what I am Brahma, Param Brahma, if you want to know it, if you know it, I will explain you in a so good "Soham Simati Dritiya Khanda Deep Sakha Soi Param Prachanda, Atman Anubhav Sukh Sav Prakasha Tab Bhav Mul Bhed Brahma Nasha." "Behi Brahma mein hu," Hindi-- Yeah. I am telling you in a Hindi really too good you know, because I don't want to be little word to cut it you know, that's too good. Yeah sing. "Soham Simati Dritiya Khanda, Bohi Brahma mein hu aisi jo dharna hai, woh us jagti hui jyot ki tarah hai aur uske bina, atma gyan ke bina hum nirvan pad nahi paa sakte." The way to dealing with the people's have to be deal with God, with God. Yeah. Not with the my brother and sister, father and mother that's good idea. But that's a second good, not the top good be top good if you want to be Nirvana, don't want to come on this earth, you want to meet with a God, no more birth, no more Karma. Yeah. If you want to be that one, Nirvanapada you to be on that level. Okay. This is a strange, a bit of a strange question but I would ask every one this one Yeah. You asking any question. Have you ever, have you had any sort of spiritual experience ever or? Spiritual? Spiritual? You know if you had to like a, experience with, a religious experiences at all. Yeah. To good yes I have. And that experience you know through the pictures, through my reading, through my practical life, if that helping me. Which one is my ideas I way of my life living I am not expecting any bodies from somebody donate me or give me anything, I am praying to God, give my body good health and good ideas in them so all the time I will be happy. I will be joyful for other people help. God given me two hands I can work hard and one more to eat it, I can give ten people food, I am still at the age of 58-60 working regularly every week. I proud I am not working only six day, other day I am working in our temple, I am working in my house, gardening other things, keep watching and keep telling my sons, grandsons, granddaughter, talk to them lovely and sit with them, enjoy with them and talk to them, you know really. I am enjoying you know. Do you think it's important to do charity work then? You are saying that you do work inside the temple and stuff but do you think that's important? Yes very important. Very important for me. The next little thing I am going to move on to is just basically for last for now is like Hinduism today basically obviously I gather from what you say you are more religious now than you were maybe when you were younger, the older you get the more important I guess. What about all the, what about the youth, what about Hindus the younger Hindus today would you say they are more or less? Yes Hindu younger you know is same like me when I was young you know. My family was just like picture you know family my grandfather was. He was explaining me few things in Sanskrit you know, he can do the marriages and he can do the all through Mantras you know, everything which one needed ceremony you know. On the birth child and when he die or when marriage or all fourteen our function you know which one need it in the life you know. Hindu have believe in forty and I do not taken it you know. When I being to here you know I have that hair bent thing you know. I, when I heard the Gita from our one of my teacher explanation then I have the little bit other ideas you know. I think he is not explaining me the right Gita, so I must read myself. So that thing bring me up you know to wake me up. I was interested in them is he right master? Sorry. Is he the right person who explaining meaning doing the meaning of Gita or am I right in my mind when I was at time 20 year old you know. So that thing bring me up. So I keep listening them, keep listening them keep study, keep study up to today. So do you think that the youth have the same opportunities to do that, it is the younger, the younger? Younger it's depend on your family you know. Some if the parents have something it's already in your houses something you know. Everybody in your house you know you can frame the meaning. If parents don't know anything in the house it's hard for you too you know. Any, anything in the parents, anything parents doing job or anything child can get that few percent automatically. God have them in chains. Sorry. Do you think it's important for, do you think it is important to learn, for the younger Hindus to learn their mother's tongue? It's depend on you know any person you know all language are quite good you know then no problem. Problem is you know and if you are English you know how many English people are going to be Hindu in this world, there are some you know, some are changing. Couple of, there is couple of thousand. Yeah few of them you know. If you are good Hindu no problem in this world you know you are good. If you are good Muslim, no problem in this world. If you are a good Christian, Budh, Jain any religious if you are good no problem. When I am bad Hindu name I am calling I am Hindu, good Hindu then the trouble start. So be a honest with the commandment. You don't mix the commandment you know it's not like that. Sun will go on the sky and the dark won't go and if the dark is not going sun is in the sky, something wrong there. So believe these things you know. God commandment always be pure, be perfect. Yeah you can't like picking shoes. No, it's not like that. Any religious they are everyone saying I know I am not only in Hinduism I have little study about other religious too little one knowledge. But I believe where have they have the commandment, those who have the commandment ten testament or whoever left with war that's the only difference I notice through my knowledge. Add ten good commandments have in the Christianity. We are literate more, Hinduism that's the only ten plus as vegetarian and other things you know we have little bit more you know. Only that's the differences I am knowledge, got the knowledge. Other top ten are there in Hinduism, other religious same is also like that. So million people are Christian, million people are Hindu, million people are Muslim you know. Why? They are good you know what bad thing you are mixing any dirty thing in the water and can't see on anything in it. So the same thing when we not keeping the God, God commandment honesty way understand them and doing the bad in the name of God, then God is not with us. We can't make the God fool each and every person he knows what's way, which way we are feeling and what action we are going to do and what we will get the result of it. Be honest, be pure, be loyal. Okay this is about it. Okay just quickly on the caste issue, do you think it's still applicable? Yeah that's a good question really you ask me. You know Hinduism there is a caste system, one is Brahman high levels, second is a Kshtriya fighter Army, third is farmer and businessmen, fourth is servant. Is that Shudra? Servant, servant, those are working under somebody right. So every person have the not same ability through his brain you know. Not say everybody can't very brilliant knowledge you know they are Ph D can do it, high degree. So we believe it, people have five kinds level of knowledge you know and those who are very brilliant in knowledge here, they can do the Ph D high level get a doctor, engineer or master of any subject. No problem in their life. They have good money and honesty kind, go work it you know no problem and second thing is we can, I have no too good brain second stage in I am good healthy and honest and I can work hard I can join the military, protect my country border and whatever my orders coming from behind you know I have to work it and get the money for that and fulfill our duty live better day right. That's the second stage. Third stage I have not that ability now suppose I have my own farm as I have in my India for there was problem for five six shares in them little one divided and we stay all there. So we too be poor stage level or to leave that place to find someone else job in this world or anywhere to go and to live better way. So that's the third way to do the business farm doing or any job anything doing that. Farmer business giving the water to grow in the farm and sell them and get back the things and fulfill our desire, family's done third thing. Fourth thing I have not that knowledge I have no farmer not that knowledge, then I have knowledge only, very little knowledge, little brain my working then I can brush, I can clean the buses, I can do any job little one and get the little money five six pound and honesty way work and I can fulfill my desires and live. So every person has the separate ability and for can be possible all engineers, all PhD or all degree or all military men we got we need the military men to protect our country we need the police, we need the engineer, we need the doctors, we need the nurses, we need the somebody to clean footpath, road works, all jobs they will do. So God make we need all kind peoples as function our body is doing everyone eyes is looking, ear are listening and tongue is speaking every function of our body separate job is doing. Same thing God make this world you know. King need the servant, servant need the king, rich man need the poor, poor need the rich man. Factory men need the worker and we need the factory. The God make it like that not me and you make it. Every see think it deeply we will know they will get through our job money. If we won't go to work, the factory won't run. They need us we need their help and God say and holy book saying after your father next is your whoever wherever you are working feel it, he is your father like uncle. Respect them. I know like in Gita, Bhagwat Gita it talks quite a bit about importance of different, the different caste system. No that was the, I am coming to you that point you know then I have same feeling, when I was twenty year old you know, I was in Brahman family, I were feeling, I am a highest level. I am on the highest level because I am Brahman family born. By my birth I am the highest person. How can we, suppose I will put the Coat white one, with the doctor one and put everything on my ear you know. And to check somebody when I have no qualification as a doctor. I will harm my, harm the person and harm myself, unrespectable person I will go. Same thing it God like that you know, I have no ability how I can go there picture, on the stage. I will speak wrong word, wrong idea, wrong commandment, how long they will listen me? They will kick him out. I am not right person on their stage. Be honest you should know what ability I have it, work about the truth. So we, some people say it's a Shudra specially, that's bad word, tell me, Shudra means we call it Servant. As I am a bus driver, work under somebody. I am working there and with the respectable, they give me money every Thursday I am getting money and fulfill all my desires you know honesty, what is wrong with it. But in my country some people think this way, they are Shudras means they are lowest caste. It's not lowest caste. How can we Ph D everybody tell me. How can we very high rank military man. How can we everybody good farmer. You know there is no one, no farms everywhere you know. Yeah. Aren't we all servants anyway there because we take Tony Blair, he done Ph D and stuff but he still serves. Is that? Yeah. He is doing service and on his level, he is doing the service on his level. But he still serves the people. Is it? Yeah he is serving the people. Every, every person serving the people, even farmer, Military man, he have that responsibility, he have the what to do but not to do through their courses you know. For duty are little different for the military man and the farmer and the servant you know. There are some special duties on every level separately to one. Some are equal everybody, some of them different. So some of different high levels they are getting extra money for that, I am a doing little low level person, what I am that the honesty and the hard worker I am fulfill my desires. I don't feel I am a anybody down. Tony Blair is doing his right job you know, I respect them. He have the ability and people have PhD, my friend many. I am sitting with PhD; I have very little qualification my country you know. I have no qualification in English. What I have qualification in my language very good. Therefore I am in the temple when all PhD sitting here, specially sitting here, sometime I speak on the stage, they are listening me what I am telling them God commandment or whatever I am telling them they believe, I am telling them the right thing. Okay, just two question that I said. Just where do you see as home now? Where is my home? Where do you see as your home? Do you still has strong connection with in with your family in India or do you see, you got family here now. Where is your home? My home is this country now. Okay. How do you categorize yourself, would you say. My actually my home is here, by my mind I am in the world of two. My family is not for five members, my family millions peoples you know through my knowledge. So many are my uncles, so many my aunties, so many are my, my sons like that nephew then all my grandsons, granddaughters age are my grandson and granddaughter. My feeling is this whole world is my family. Okay, so it's finally just anything else, any final thought, anything else you would like to say? I have many things to say you know. As I mentioned you, you know what ability you have useful to you for others you know and how you can bring the loyalty in peoples and honest to make the peoples you will be the right first. If I have suppose I hard work and I have some money and saved it, somebody come to me and request to me, give me money for loan or whatever you know, I can give them. If I when then I have no money, no saved somebody ask me, even I want to give him I can't give. Simply that that's the true thing. So same thing is God, if I say somebody to speak the truth I must speak the truth then it will effect, then it will work. If I am liar not speaking the truth and telling on the stage always speak the truth, it won't work because truth is not in my life. Be honest, be loyalty, be good, be pure. So many loyal things into your life should come and the people with respect you wherever you go in this world never mind in your house wherever you go people will respect you. All community doesn't matter which, which color, which nationality they have it, he will respect you through your loyalty. That's your individually life. Be good. Thank you.